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My Bethel Experience Part 12

by new boy in

they say love is what makes the world go around.

at bethel, we "new boys" had a saying.

"if god created anything better then sex, he kept it for himself!".

new boy

Sorry some of the tread got left out.
So ... that brings us to our Bethelities. Most of people that are called to Bethel, are single young men who are at their sexual peak. They signed a 4 year contract to stay at the house of god, no matter what. That means no sex, no matter what. So you can see we are going to have some very interesting things going on there.

Well were to start? We already talked about the gays and the NPGs.......plenty of those. The rest of the guys there, fall into different groups.
1. You had the guys who had girlfriends before they came. They asked the girls to wait for them. The odds of them making their time, were almost 0%. I knew of 1 guy that did that, in 4 years that way.
2. Guys that got girl friends in the New York area while they were there.
3. Guys that got together with a Bethel sister and married them.
4. Guys that got girl friends back home when they were on vacations.
5. Then of course there were some that just got a hooker on 8th Ave.
6. Guys that got no girlfriends but just masturbated a lot. Know it wasn’t legal.
We'll talk about them all on the next tread.

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My Bethel Experience Part 12

by new boy in

they say love is what makes the world go around.

at bethel, we "new boys" had a saying.

"if god created anything better then sex, he kept it for himself!".

new boy

They say “love is what makes the world go around.” At Bethel, we "new boys" had a saying. "If God created anything better then SEX, he kept it for himself!"

How would we know? Most of us never had it. Didn't make any difference. We talked about it...........fantasied about it...........dreamt about it..........I' m sure because we couldn’t have it. That is why we glorified it so much. Hey! We were 20 years old and virgins! Some of us were in our 30's! We had some raging hormones going on.

Most of the guys who left Bethel, got married within a week after leaving the big house! I was different.....I waited 2 weeks! I had will power.......that’s not entirely true there was circuit assembly the week after so we had to wait a week.

Before we talk about sex at bethel............It would be good to talk about the history of sex in the organization. They would say that it started with Adam & Eve.......but the real organization is less than 150 years old. In reality it’s an 1800's religion, with an 1800's morals mentality. You know it got started back in the “The Victorian” period.

Anyway back in the Garden of Eden..........is where the real problem got started......in the organizations mind anyway.

The first real question ever posed...............Had nothing to do with universal sovereignty as the church would have you believe, it was about ..........Ever LASTING LIFE with God........... Or really GOOD SEX with a perfect wife for a few years........"Ahhhh............GOD I think I will take the sex please, thank you!!!!

Remember it said, “The man was NOT deceived!” He KNEW what he was doing..........in his mind the choice was clear..............everlasting life with god. A god who let’s face it, really wasn’t all that friendly, who was also invisible. Or he could chose a few wonderful years of bliss, with the woman of his dreams, the love of his life! A visible woman.

What a hero he was!!!!! ........He was the first man to die for LOVE and really GOOD SEX.........I say good sex because, who would give up everlasting life for an eternity of bad sex?........God didn't create no fool........What he did create, was a perfect man and a perfect woman, with a perfectly NORMAL and healthy sex drive.

P.S. I hate to break it to you but the whole Garden of Eden thing is pure urban myth.

Churches think that Adam should have chosen God over his wife ...... and the Jehovah’s Witnesses are no different. Religions are about control........and since most religions are run by self-righteous men with control and sexual issues........ Men who want to suppress women and sex, for control and power. Churches that say "the head of the woman is the man." God NEVER wrote that....... MAN wrote that! Men have been using it against women for thousands of years, to gain power over them.

So as a Jehovah Witness, sex is strictly FORBIDDEN before marriage........There is no sex before marriage and sadly sometimes very little after and since usually the only person you ever have sex with is the first person you had sex with, there is also plenty of sexual incompatibility going on too. That is why more people are kicked out of the JWs every year for sexual reasons than anything else!

Sex out of wedlock.
Sex with someone besides your marriage mate.
Sex with your own kids or other people's kids.

Yep, sex is their biggest problem

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My Bethwl Experience Part 11

by new boy in

more about cars and n.y.c.. .

back then hundreds of cars were stolen, in the city every day!

the new york post said "the average life span of a corvette (sports car) parked on the street was 24 hours!

new boy

More about cars and N.Y.C.

Back then hundreds of cars were stolen, in the city every day! The New York Post said "The average life span of a Corvette (sports car) parked on the street was 24 hours!"...........One time coming back from R.I at 2:00 a.m. I took a wrong turn in the South Bronx’s.........NOT a place you would want to be in, that time of night. As I was driving around trying to find my way back to the express way, I could see the sparks form the cutting torches, people cutting up the cars they stolen the day before. I was Praying "Please God get me out of here"

We would see the cars that broke down on the Brooklyn Bridge the night before. They were pushed to the end of the off ramp. We would pass them on our way to the factory at 7:45 a.m.........they had no tires...........pass them again going to lunch.............no trunk or doors.............pass them on our way home that night..........no engine or seats............next day, it was just the shell sitting there.

A Brother in my Hall, got a flat tire on the BQE (Brooklyn Queens Express Way) A road, that back then had so many pot holes in it........you would swear it was shelled by mortars......Any way, he gets out of the car and starts jacking up the back end. Just then.........a car pulls up in front of him and 4 black guys jump out and before he could say a word, they start jacking up the front end of his car.........."HEY what are you doing" he asked ............."HEY MOTHER F.....KER!..........YOU GET THE BACK TWO ...........AND WE WILL GET THE FRONT TWO"......they said ........"But this is MY car".......he said .........."yeah?"...they said ......"YES" he said..........10 seconds later they were down the road, looking for more parts. This is a true story.

They didn't always have to work on that Saturday mornings at Bethel. An exBethelite told me that back in the 50’s that some Bethelites jump in their car Friday night after work and tried to drive to Chicago and be back for breakfast by Monday morning. They didn't make it and they crashed their car and three of them died. So Knorr figured that if they had been working, that would have never happen. New light, work on Saturday mornings. That man was a genius.

My soon to be brother in-law Mike Stillman.......had a 1946 orange pickup truck with a camper on the back, made out of old barn wood .........the camper door looked like an old out house door, with a half-moon on the back.....and above the door it said ......."KEEP ON TRUCKING".......Calvin Chyke hauled him into his office one day and told him, that he was a disgrace to the organization and how dare he put on his truck "KEEP ON TRUCKING" He said that EVERYONE knew that REALLY meant KEEP ON F....KING! Oh.........those brothers they just love to have fun with us. There are two types of people in the "Lord's house" the testers and the testis. He never took it off he was in the ink room and bullet proof.

As Bob Dylan said........"Some of us are prisoners.........and some us are guards."

I was walking to the factory one morning in the winter of 1974. I walked by my car and some kids sprayed painted my car with the words "F....k you" on the front fender. I thought......... did they really mean "Keep on Trucking." I laughed to myself, I wished I had painted it on there instead of them.

Oh yes! I waited until someone said something before I took it off....................."But. Brother I didn't put in on there.”...I said...." "WE KNOW THAT, just get it OFF."

God.........I wish you could have seen my car. I have a picture of her somewhere. "Road Warrior part II" I would drive down the FDR..........Radio on, with Elton John on playing "Rocket Man"......It was like parting the Red Sea.......a 1/2 mile ahead of me......... people in their cars would start moving into the other lanes.

They knew someone was coming, who had NOTHING TO LOSE!

As Bob Dylan said....... "When you got nothing......you got nothing to lose."

Two months before my sentence was up. "I was serving a 1 to 4 for impersonating a minister" ....I was walking to the factory one day, my car was parked next to the park. As I passed I notice that someone had taken a ball peen hammer to my wind shield, right were the driver looks out! As I looked down the street, I saw ALL the cars parked, new and old. ALL of them had their wind shields smashed..............then I looked up the hill..............all were smashed.I counted 53 cars with smashed windshields that morning, someone had some fun the night before!

Well, that was the death blow for my baby.They wanted 85 bucks for a new wind shield. There was no way I could put another dollar into that car.............So I drove it up to Rhode Island (180 miles away) one Saturday, with no wind shield it, it was 25 degrees, heater blasting, hoping the cops didn't pull me over. I parked it at my soon to be in-laws house and parted it out........sold the transmission rear end to a friend, keep the engine and tires.......sold the gas tank to Roy Baty, he welded it into his van, because of the gas crisis, now he could buy 35 gallons of gas at a time. In the end, she looked just liked one of those cars at the bottom of the Brooklyn Bridge.......R.I.P. sweetheart. My first real love!

Next up............... Love and sex in the "Big House"

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My Bethel Experienxce Part 10

by new boy in

there were guys at bethel, who had great jobs........like don brouex.....he was the receptionist at the 124 desk.

his job was checking in and "checking out" all the bethel tours and "hot" sisters on their way through the bethel home.

that my friend, is not a real bethel job.

new boy

Guys it was a joke . It meant that there was few publishers in the hall. less then twenty including kids, old ladies, dogs and anyone else.

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What are Strangest Grounds For Disfellowshiping You Have Heard Of?

by new boy in

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friends

in 1961 my father was disfellowshipped for not doing to the kingdom hall he was assigned to.. if i'm lying...my dying!.

it was the glendora california congeration.

the committee was.. john smoley.

new boy

I thought I would get this one out of the bone yard.

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Hello, this is my first post

by noralee in

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friends

hello, this is my first post, i would like to introduce myself and say thank you to every one on this forum, you have been a lifeline to me these last few years.. i had been a jw for 30 years when i walked away a few years ago disgusted by the treatment victims of child abuse, domestic abuse and rape receive from the wtbts.. at first i thought it was a local problem, elders personal opinions, the way they handled the situations, imperfect men etc., until i checked out jehovahs witnesses and child abuse/domestic abuse online.

that's when i realized they had the same modus operandi worldwide.

that led me here, tbuo this forum, and then to crisis of conscience, jw facts, watchtower documents, jw survey, old watchtower literature and cd s, reading a couple of steve hassans books, and more recently exiting the jw cult.. the feelings of shock, betrayal, anger at the wtbts, angry with myself for being so gullible, depression, reflection, loneliness, have taken their toll.

new boy

There is a life after the witnesses and it's a great one. Don't feel bad I wasted 52 years worth. That might a record for stupidity.

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Is the Watchtower organisation facing the biggest crisis of its history?

by slimboyfat in

recent developments make me think they might be.

the problems they are facing are not just lack of funds but also draining authority, and the two could be a heady and explosive mix.

one of the best analyses ever written of the watchtower was a book called "trumpet of prophecy" by sociologist james beckford in the 1970s.

new boy

Sad but with the sell off of Brooklyn properties for Billions, money may not be a problem for awhile.

Personally I believe their fall will come from the fact they are losing their young people. They have an 1800's religion in a modern world. Kids are smarter today then ever before. With the technology of today kids just have to jump on their computers for 30 minutes and research their parents religion and know it's bull shit. With only 1% to 2% coming from the door to door work and most of the new witnesses coming form JWs having sex with other JWs....their time is numbered. Thank god for the next generation.

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How many visitors do we get ?

by Simon in

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someone was asking me in the chatroom about the number of hits the site gets.

here is a brief summary (of what we currently get per week):.

21,000 visitors.

new boy

Great job Simon. I hope it's become everything you hoped it to be.

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My Bethel Experienxce Part 10

by new boy in

there were guys at bethel, who had great jobs........like don brouex.....he was the receptionist at the 124 desk.

his job was checking in and "checking out" all the bethel tours and "hot" sisters on their way through the bethel home.

that my friend, is not a real bethel job.

new boy

There were guys at Bethel, who had GREAT jobs........Like Don Brouex.....he was the receptionist at the 124 Desk. His job was checking in and "checking out" all the bethel tours and "hot" sisters on their way through the bethel Home. That my friend, is NOT a real bethel JOB. I told Don that years later, that he never did “really” work at bethel and he laughed. Funny thing is he was the CO that took my bethel application in September 1969. God I so wanted to be like him!

There were guys at bethel that had great congregations with maybe only 2-4 bethelities in their halls. One Hall, Midtown had over 80 bethelites in it and there was Murryhill which was just as bad all bethelites plus 3 old ladies 4 kids and a dog. Odds of getting a home cook meal on Sunday 0%. Roy Baty said he got cheese and crackers at some old sister house after he was there for a year and 4 months. A good hall could make all the difference, on how long you could "gut it out" there, especially if you had a girlfriend there.

There were guys at Bethel that, for them, money was NO problem, parents sent them tons of cash every month, rain or shine.

There were guys, that had all three, they were called "Golden Boys".........Guys that for some reason, God was smiling down on them. They could fall into a bucket of shit and come up with a rose in their teeth. They had good bethel jobs, great KHs, money, a car, and more often than not a good looking "sister" on their arm. It was great just being around them. You thought that there could be a God after all.

There were the guys who struck out on all there. Guys like my roommate Roy Baty. He was in Murray Hill KM with 80 Bethelites, He worked in the Bindery (thanks to Eugene Alcorn) and he had no money sent to him. I give him credit he made his four years and he had a girlfriend before he went to bethel! Only one out of a hundred could do that.

That brings me to my next topic. Cars at Bethel.

A car at bethel was total freedom!

Why? For me the first two years there, it was Bethel and your KH, Bethel and your KH.........unless you knew someone with a car to get out of the city there was no leaving New York, you were stuck there months on end.

Your only free time was Saturday afternoon & evening. So on Saturday you would take the train down to times square and walk around looking for a good movie to go to, or walk all the way down to Flatbush Blvd. in Brooklyn. It wasn't unusual to not find one and walk all the way back home. Sunday was service in the morning, meeting in the afternoon and if you were lucky, dinner with a family in the hall that night.

A car could help change some of that. Some guys there had some nice cars too. Jim Pipkorn first had a 65 ford mustang rag top. Then a 67 GTO. Dave Borga (Mr. G Job king) had a 69 MACH 1, There was a 1968 396 rag top SS Camaro, that some guy on the waiter crew had.........anyway they all spelled...... FREEDOM.

They did have their problems......one was parking, there was NONE back then for the bethelities. Oh, the society had plenty of places for us to park after they bought the Squibb property but why make it easy on the brothers? Many years later they finally decided to give the bethelites free parking.

Anyway, you would have to drive around "the heights" looking for a spot......If you got back late....that could take up to an hour driving up and down every street up to a mile from your room. At one in the morning you would get so piss off and frustrated trying to find a parking spot. I bet Knorr never had to drive around and look for a parking spot. At that time night after you did find a parking space a mile away, the walk home was very exciting. Sometimes you have to run all the way if there were people following you. I love New York.

The other thing you could do was park illegally. You just didn’t have a choice. Many guys did......sometimes you got lucky....If not it was 10 dollars fine and 25 dollars for a fire hydrant. The Kennedy boys (Jim and Gary) had a 65 T-Bird and NEVER parked legal! They had Georgia plates.......and said the hell with it.

Well, one day they looked for their car but it was gone. The city had towed it. They went to the impound to get it. The guy said $656.00 please, they said "KEEP IT"

The other problem was break-ins.......If you had a rag top you would NEVER lock your car. The reason was if they wanted in, they would just take a knife to your roof, so you WOULD leave the door unlocked and let them get in.......But you would put a chain around the steering wheel and brake pedal. So if they hotwired the car and drive away there would be NO brakes. Some guys would put a kill switch in. You would always chain your hood and truck down. Another thing you would do is always leave your glove box OPEN, to show them there was nothing of value in your car. If you didn't your side mirror would be broken by the next morning.

We would see new cars parked on the street, in "the Heights" in 6 months they looked terrible. The reason is, mostly....... New Yorkers like to park by SOUND.......... they back in, until they hear.... a CRUCH ......then they move forward until they hear.....another.....CRUCH.......and then they back up and hear the final...............CRUCH.......now you’re parked.

After two years there, things got a little better, I had a fair job on the east freight elevator.........and I bought a car for ONE DALLOR. .....that’s right, one buck! My roommate’s girl friend's car, 1968 Fairlane, got totaled in a crash. The insurance payed her off and gave her the car. She gave it to me, for a buck. The car looked like something out of "Mad Max"......it was a complete wreck! Every quarter panel was trashed.......It had been rear ended at about 40 mph. the trunk that WAS 5 ft. long was now 3 ft. long. It looked like shit....... but she ran great........Believe it or not the 2 years I had it "They" (the worldly people) try to steal it 3 times, but she was my baby and she was my freedom.

I took Guys to the airport for $5........good money. I drove guys in my K H to the meetings, Instead of the hour plus train ride we could do it in 20 mins. They gave me their subway money......5 times .70 cents per trip good money........and last but not least she could get me..............far............ far away..........."From the wonderful House of God." On the weekends. Things were looking up!

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Slightly different approach - JW my tradition

by closed in

hello everybody :) i have been visiting this forum for some time.

i noticed that many can't really free from the past in the org despite many years outside of jw.

i was awaken with a bang.

new boy

I was in for 52 years. For most people it is tough to realize they have invested in a thought system that was faulty from the beginning. Many people stick with it for that reason only that's their life and were all their friends are at. They are there for the people. Of course combat soldiers with tell you the same thing. The cause isn't that important it's the guys standing next to you is why you are fighting. I like you said I would never want to be an elder after I left bethel, were I saw abuse of power on a massive scale.